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Originally Posted by tore
While I don't want to involve myself deeply in the current ongoing discussion, I think the first post from Mr. Larehip shows insights that a lot could (should) learn from. The message is good even if delivery could be better (wall of text and an arrogant position sure to anger people from the very start). As Larehip seems to know much about human nature, I am sure he knows how resistant people can be to logical arguments when you've roused their defenses.
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But my arrogance and loquaciousness didn't stop you from seeing the value of the data I posted. That's how you know the data are good--you hate the messenger but recognize the value of the message. If all the rest of them require me to break it down into little bite-sized chunks for their little minds to process while I tell them how great and smart and perceptive they are, all that would be accomplishing is proving that people WANT to be controlled. They'll believe anything I tell them if I throw in enough compliments while doing it. My god, man, that's how cults work!! And you didn't fall for it! So why should they?
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But either way, I pretty much agree. Psychics are not real and what they do can be done by lucky guessing and reading people. And people don't truly know themselves, f.ex because sometimes we don't really understand our motivations. Motivation comes first, then we try to rationalize it or apply some narrative to explain it and that explanation can be very wrong. Either way, it's a construct. The motivation doesn't need our narrative to exist but we feel like we need the narrative to understand the motivation and, by extension, ourselves.
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To put it another way, introspection is impossible. You cannot examine your own beliefs and learn anything about yourself. If the knowledge is already inside you then you already know it (or it wouldn't be knowledge). If it is not there then looking inside yourself for that knowledge is pointless. For example, what is your favorite color? Why is that color your favorite? Well, you don't know! It is just is.
Do you control your own thoughts? Yes? Then stop thinking altogether just for a moment. Stop producing thoughts for 10 seconds. For 10 seconds, think about nothing at all. Hmm. Can't do it, can we? So you do not control your own thoughts. Then what does control them?
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And humans are social animals. When trying to figure out how we should behave, we're constantly looking to others to give us some cues. We naturally create a society which controls the way we behave.
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I agree. We WANT to be controlled because it is human nature. Normally, it's not a bad thing but, like anything else, it can be subverted.