Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

To be fair, when you're talking about Takeover having a better beat as to why it's the better dub then there can't be much about Jay-Z's dub that was great.

The point is to humiliate your opponent, Nas used a simple beat and the bars did the talking. It's pretty obvious it's the better dub? Nas would have been pissing himself after that, Jay-Z is on radio sounding very, very shaken. I just don't get how anyone can say Jay-Z won after hearing that.

SR, those examples of Jay-Z bars aren't saying much, even if he did show Nas a gun, how is that a diss lol? And I don't think Nas cares about Jay-Z selling more either (Jay-Z talking about sales lol, typical). And sleeping with his child's mom... unless they were together, that isn't really a diss either. If I was Nas I'd be like, who gives a shit?