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Originally Posted by Tuna
Ok, I see, so you're basically illustrating that any other emotion is just as illogical as pride in the sense that I was getting at? I won't deny that since humans are such an inquisitive species, and that we want a purpose in life, the illusion of free will in and of itself serves a purpose and keeps us going in life. If lack of free will was uniformly embraced it could potentially result in us regressing to our most basic, animalistic needs, because life is short and why live for anyone but yourself?
But not everyone is willing to concede that free will is just an illusion, and on the same token not everyone is willing to accept that free will is very real in humans, so the debate does continue to serve a purpose as it gets us to question our existence. So long as people are willing to maintain an open mind of course. 
Me, I like to logically accept free will as a farce, while going about my life ignoring this truth because I too am human.  |
That's my point, even if it is an illusion, we're all too human to function as if it is.
Continuing on....even if our entire environment is an illusion, it's temperature, nutrition, social interaction can still cause us to become cold, hungry and sad so we might as well treat it as real either way.
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Right, I understand. But I'm not sure what point you're trying to make off of it? I already agree with you that 'blame' is a misplaced concept. If you're talking simply about judgement, well we do that without knowing it sometimes and in full knowledge others. When you call someone "ugly" you (hopefully) realize that a lot of time it's through no fault of their own (assuming free will exists, people still don't have any control over say bone structure, so you'd be passing judgement over something that someone can't control), but you're still passing judgement. I think that can be applied to any physical or mental aspect that is judged on, only it's not as clear-to-see as something like physical features
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I'm thinking aloud here, It might not have even been against anything you said specifically....
Deal with what something IS, not whether it "chose" to be that way.
In the same setting, , Alan IS tall, Bob is short.
You buy longer trousers for Alan, because they're tall. And shorter ones for Bob, regardless of why they are tall short.
In the same setting, Cameron kills infants, Dave is law abiding.
You detain Cameron, you leave Dave be, regardless of why they do.
It's a gross oversimplification...... but I think it illustrates on some level how even if we accept freewill doesn't exist, our responses don't/can't significantly change.
Maybe I don't have a point here afterall. Let's call it food for thought then.