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Pat · 10-18-2005, 05:34 PM

Stopped voting a long time ago - not for reasons of information or non-information - simply to the fact that I left my "official" home country a long time ago and at that time internet and satellite TV was not an option.
I was in the US at the time of "reasons given to go for war", found the "campaign" very extreme and watched news from different parts of the world - which tell the same - yet in a different way. (Besides that I have worked with people in the Satellite business)

I do not say that people are not capable of forming their opinions - especially with all information on our fingertips by now. What I am saying is that still many people choose not to - and simply follow the herd.
And yes, you are correct, that people are biased towards a generic political position - and other generic views, from racism to religious ideas and everything else. And this is going on for generation.
You are calling me a liberal. What is a Liberal ? If you are talking about a "political liberal" - then I have to feel offended. If you talk about the meaning of the word and pick a certain definition - here it is: 5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
If so, then I am not offended and can say full hearted - Yes.
What would I want ?
What every human being wants. Peace, a roof over our head, clothes to wear (it is to cold here without) food, water and to be with the one I love.
i don't want to be in "war" with my neighbour or with another country. I don't want to run from gunshots and bombs. Don't want to starve or have no water to drink.
These are my simple needs. I have no problem if my neighbour is white, black red, yellow or puple (or whatever color), what religion or what believes one has. I just want my peace and not be told by others how I should live, what I should believe and with who I should hang out with.

I don't think I said that I agree with Kayne's remarks or if I found them appropriate. I just don't like the cutting off part of what he had to say.
Yet, if this is his opinion - so he shall be able to speak. I think we do not speak up often enough "because it is not appropriate". We always try to be politically correct - because we were told and taught so for generations. How nice it is to watch a child when they just speak their mind (and at times embarrasing) but they say what we would never say.
And I am including myself in this. (But working on it- of course)

You are correct regarding some information, which is impossible to find (people in the bathroom on the 57th floor) - yet you got my hint. I have a very different opinion on this entire thing - yet prefer not to go as far as posting it in a public forum. (Besides that I am aware that nothing done on the internet is a secret.....it might would hurt some people and I would prefer not to do that - even without knowing if it did or would hurt them)
If you like, you are very welcome to PM me.

I am sorry to hear that you get attacked on a daily basis by bigoted closet-case racists. This is something I never understood, why people give other people a hard time because of how they look. As I mentioned I come from a multinational environment and I know it does work and is possible. Yet I am not unfamiliar with this issue. We all are human beings and that is all there is to it. At least for me.

10-18-2005, 05:34 PM	#149 (permalink)
Pat Groupie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The World Posts: 1	Stopped voting a long time ago - not for reasons of information or non-information - simply to the fact that I left my "official" home country a long time ago and at that time internet and satellite TV was not an option. I was in the US at the time of "reasons given to go for war", found the "campaign" very extreme and watched news from different parts of the world - which tell the same - yet in a different way. (Besides that I have worked with people in the Satellite business) I do not say that people are not capable of forming their opinions - especially with all information on our fingertips by now. What I am saying is that still many people choose not to - and simply follow the herd. And yes, you are correct, that people are biased towards a generic political position - and other generic views, from racism to religious ideas and everything else. And this is going on for generation. You are calling me a liberal. What is a Liberal ? If you are talking about a "political liberal" - then I have to feel offended. If you talk about the meaning of the word and pick a certain definition - here it is: 5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms If so, then I am not offended and can say full hearted - Yes. What would I want ? What every human being wants. Peace, a roof over our head, clothes to wear (it is to cold here without) food, water and to be with the one I love. i don't want to be in "war" with my neighbour or with another country. I don't want to run from gunshots and bombs. Don't want to starve or have no water to drink. These are my simple needs. I have no problem if my neighbour is white, black red, yellow or puple (or whatever color), what religion or what believes one has. I just want my peace and not be told by others how I should live, what I should believe and with who I should hang out with. I don't think I said that I agree with Kayne's remarks or if I found them appropriate. I just don't like the cutting off part of what he had to say. Yet, if this is his opinion - so he shall be able to speak. I think we do not speak up often enough "because it is not appropriate". We always try to be politically correct - because we were told and taught so for generations. How nice it is to watch a child when they just speak their mind (and at times embarrasing) but they say what we would never say. And I am including myself in this. (But working on it- of course) You are correct regarding some information, which is impossible to find (people in the bathroom on the 57th floor) - yet you got my hint. I have a very different opinion on this entire thing - yet prefer not to go as far as posting it in a public forum. (Besides that I am aware that nothing done on the internet is a secret.....it might would hurt some people and I would prefer not to do that - even without knowing if it did or would hurt them) If you like, you are very welcome to PM me. I am sorry to hear that you get attacked on a daily basis by bigoted closet-case racists. This is something I never understood, why people give other people a hard time because of how they look. As I mentioned I come from a multinational environment and I know it does work and is possible. Yet I am not unfamiliar with this issue. We all are human beings and that is all there is to it. At least for me. __________________ Distance to love is like wind to fire. It extinguishes the small and enhances the big.