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Originally Posted by blastingas10
Nobody said Anything about "leopard skin pillbox hat".
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You have in another thread, you'll just have to give me while to dig through that particular thread.
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And I don't think anyone claimed that Dylan could play electric guitar like young. All I ever said is that there are acoustic fingerpicking Dylan songs that are harder to play than some of youngs electric guitar solos.
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I didn't say Bob can't play like Neil; I said
no one can play like Neil, and I appreciate that more. Bob may have that technicality, and that's great from a 1's and 0's standpoint. I'm sure it's true, and I'll give you that point, but I would still assert that Neil was a lot more interesting, involved, and unique in his soloing or guitar playing in general. You may find it stagnant, which is understandable- Mastodon's overall style has never seriously shifted, and i've heard people bash this before- but i'm a sucker for it if they just happen to be good enough at that style.
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If you think "ambulance blues" is better than "visions if Johanna", then that's fine, it doesn't make sense to me but whatever.
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no really.
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On the other hand, claiming that all the Dylan you've heard is "relentlessly cliche", well, that's quite a claim.
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i'm kind of a risk taker.
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Dylan is the master, according to young himself. Sure, nobody really sounds like Neil, but nobody sounds like Dylan either. Unless you're talking about his very early music. Bob was much more original, in my opinion. After all, he came first and was a big influence on young.
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I'm sure he was very original in his time, but i can't say i would feel the same way now with the hindsight granted to me. I've never heard someone who sounds quite like Neil, even Mascis controlled Dinosaur Jr. Bob just hasn't quite stood the test of time for me, except lyrically of course.
And as i've said, I don't feel like Dylan's music is as essential. If you took the music away, the lyrics would still be poetry, sure, and i really wouldn't miss the music that much. I realize that Neil contradicts this in the quote below, but just because he may have learned that from Bob doesn't mean he didn't nail it down more efficiently. There are plenty of bands today who do better at what the pioneers took on before, and it seems pretty natural to me.
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I'm not saying its absurd to say young is better, it's understandable. I have tons of respect for them both. To generalize my feelings of them both, I can agree Neil is the better guitar player. But at the same time, they're just different. I suppose that really loud, crashing style of Neil just stands out more to some. But I can appreciate the more subtle and reserved playing of Bob. And like I've mentioned, there are Dylan songs that are harder to play than some Neil solos. As far as songwriting goes, I think Neil was on Bobs level from time to time, bit overall Bob is quite a bit better. Some of Neil's songs just really bore me with mediocrity. And I also hold the rather controversial opinion that Dylan was the better singer. Youngs voice was monotonous at time, and rather weak. I think Dylan had a lot more power in his voice. All Neil had was that falsetto, which was great. However, Neil's voice has lasted a lot longer, no denying that.
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At this point, all i can really say is that i would invert almost everything you say here. But i still say, yes, Young may not have the technicality. To be honest, I doubt Young has much anything technical going on in his music; it's usually more on the experimental noise side, or straight ahead rock, or folky country jams; none of it's made for technicality so much. But i admire how he likes to **** it up on things, like his "A Day in the Life" cover (a really good performance at Glastonbury
here), or the aforementioned Broken Arrow, or especially his live versions of Tonight's the Night (which can be found on Weld if you'd like a copy). Now I won't comment too much on the voices, i actually do like them both pretty well; but i will say that i find more people that sound like Dylan (Lou Reed or that guy from Dire Straits at least on that one song) than who sound like Neil. It just comes back to the fact that since there isn't much i know of that sounds a lot like Neil, i find it more unique or essential or whatever. And that may well prove Bob's massive influence over Neil's, but whatever.
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To expound on that young quote I referenced:
In an extensive interview in TIME Magazine, in September 2005, interviewer JOSH TYRANGIEL asks Young who's the best musician he has ever seen and the standard for what he does?
YOUNG: "Bob Dylan, I'll never be Bob Dylan. He's the master. If I'd like to be anyone, it's him. And he's a great writer, true to his music and done what he feels is the right thing to do for years and years and years. He's great. He's the one I look to. I'm always interested in what he's doing now, or did last, or did a long time ago that I didn't find out about. The guy has written some of the greatest poetry and put it to music in a way that it touched me, and other people have done that, but not so consistently or as intensely. Like me, he waits around and keeps going, and he knows that he doesn't have the muse all the time, but he knows that it'll come back and it'll visit him and he'll have his moment."
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That's great and i don't doubt it, but you can still do better than whoever comes before you, and i believe he has.