Music Banter - View Single Post - U.S. Election Day — Obama vs. Romney
View Single Post
Old 10-02-2012, 05:38 PM   #93 (permalink)
Freebase Dali
Partying on the inside
 
Freebase Dali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,584
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBig3 View Post
So who are you voting for again? Because this sounds oddly familiar to the same arguments made for moving to a communist government in the Soviet Union. It went something like this: "Our system is in tatters, we can't repair it, so the best possible solution is to create a new, pristine government. That will solve everything."

While its overly simplified, you get the point. Just because not everything goes your way doesn't mean scrap everything and start over. No one you vote for will ever fulfill your promises, hopes, or dreams in total. Ever. So, you can either acknowledge that, or continue to play the "I think the both suck" argument which I'm going to refrain from commenting on.

As for Clinton's supposed flawed message, I don't know what to tell you. Clinton says Obama is enacting the same policies, and assuming this obstructionist Congress decides to help people, the Economy will grow by leaps and bounds. You're suggesting "Well, we can't vote out congress, so let's not vote for Obama." I can't frame that simply enough to show its "flawed reasoning" so let me use this image:



As for the recent quote you're asking about, I hadn't heard of it when I read it in your post. But I could gather what he meant. So I googled it to be sure. Here's the quote:



Which is what I thought. If you really thought he would

A. Think that then
B. Say it. More over at a
C. Scripted rally being filmed

then I don't know what to tell you. You strike me as a collapsing voter. Someone who's ready to give it all up because you just found out Santa Clause isn't real. Well, he's not. Politics is a rough game, its not for the fragile which is why you're never allowed to talk about it at parties of well manners. Some folks just don't like how unpleasent it is.

To them, I am never sure what to say. We could have a one-party state, or a multi-party state as an alternative and in both ways things get worse. Too many American's look at politics and see terrible things because we, as a nation, believe fairy tales constantly. We think a pioneer spirit settled the West, not the nation (including the Federal Government). We think that the Free Market really will solve everything, and too many believe to the poor are just lazy and they've done that to themselves. Moreover, that anyone can go become a millionaire tomorrow if they just want it badly enough.

To me, Politics in this country is so earnest and refreshing that I don't know where else I'd want to live. For all the bad, we have innumerate protections on liberties - protections - that some countries can't imagine because they don't have the liberties to protect in the first place. Our two-party system is abstract enough to have 6 different parties in each of the "majors" (which is why 3rd parties are ****, by the way).

I think its overly nice to say "everyone sucks" or "they're all corrupt" because god forbid anyone have the nuts to stand up and say "you know something, I don't think the system really is fair to everyone and thats why I support this candidate." because then you're either a crazy liberal or a lunatic right-winger. Well, those people, as bat**** as they might be, have some conviction, and they're the ones out there fighting and dragging the parties to the fringe. The parties move away from the center because the normal folks in the middle are too busy trying to figure out whats for dinner that they gave up on being half-informed. It became politically fashionable to just say "well I don't vote for evil." How clever of you, please let me know what response you get from that at your next dinner party.

America has a lot of problems; we could do a lot of things better. And if we don't, don't blame the system you don't partake it, the system you refuse to "fix" and the government that is responding to the only people who vote because saying you think The Dutch, Swiss, or Finnish are better off isn't the same as voting to make us better off. Its lazy, and if we should blame anyone, its not politicians or Washington, its the lazy scumbags who don't do a damn thing but complain.

Edit: Also, try this: Voting against Barack Obama's record: Express yourself | The Economist
I don't know if you:

A) were responding to someone else
B) thought I was implying a ton of things that I was not
C) are high

Whatever the case, I'm not sure if you were simply speaking generally or trying to wring all sorts of context out of what I said that wasn't there.
I wasn't implying any of that, nor do I think anyone could make such sweeping judgments about my politics based on what I said. I was addressing what I thought were specific inconsistencies that I figured someone here could clarify. I wasn't betraying a political stance. I state it in the voting booth.
I happen to enjoy hearing both sides of the argument, but yours really didn't apply to my intentions, but seemed to make those intentions up on my behalf.
Freebase Dali is offline