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We are talking about the Beatles as a group not as a solo act and there was no way they were going to compete what they did as a group. Since you mention this John Lennon Plastic Ono Band a very important influence on many acts ranging from White Stripes to even many punk acts. George Harrison unique guitar slide style has been influential on many guitarists.
Once again Chuck Berry and Elvis Presley were recording when the Beatles were around so again I don't buy your logic for one minute.
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Yes, I'm aware they were releasing music during that time but it's not the music that they were famous for. That's why I have used phrases like "in their heyday" when referring to their 1950s releases. It's kind of ironic that judging the careers of the post-breakup Beatles is off the table for you because it was past their heyday but you think it's perfectly reasonable to judge Chuck Berry after his heyday.
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Yes you might think Rubber Soul to Abbey Road as not all classics but hey that's your opinion but not what the general consensus of what other musicians will tell you.
So you are the saying the game was different in the 50's then I guess it took the Beatles and Bob Dylan to change the parameters of what the rock album should be?
Look it's not matter of complexity which the Beatles have in spades over the likes of their mentors it's a matter the craft of writing, playing your own songs and using the studio as an instrument. It's no coincedence the Beatles songs are the most in the rock era along with Bob Dylan.
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Maybe they did change parameters when it came to treating albums as more than just a collection of songs, or maybe that was just a change that would have occurred in the industry anyway and they just happened to be a popular band who were swept up in that change. It's hard to say. But they weren't the first people to write their own songs or use the studio as an instrument.
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The Beatles experimented in just about every way possible — phased vocals ("And Your Bird Can Sing"), dreamlike guitars running in reverse ("I'm Only Sleeping"), the wild abuse of tape loops ("Tomorrow Never Knows") — the songwriting was as strong as it had ever been. Its dissonance was modern, and the wake it's left is audible in everything Animal Collective has achieved.
The Beatles were not a mere "pop" band. Only a real simpleton would make THAT charge. Nor did they compose a lot love songs (some of the not as a group ). Some of their songs, in fact, were actually quite radical, sophisticated and even weird (for their time period) both musically and thematically,.. namely songs like 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds ( L.S.D. ), Strawberry Fields, and I Am the Walrus ( as a few examples ).
They also had a lot of varying musical influences other than just pop and rock 'n roll ( like Asian, classical music, British vaudeville, showtune, psychedelic and so on ). They were pretty much the progenitors, or certainly at least ONE of the early progenitors, of what came to be termed "progressive rock". Calling them a "pop band" who wrote "catchy tunes" and "silly love songs" shows amazing stupidity
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Did I say those things? Who are you directing these comments towards?
I'm always amazed by how often Beatles fans come to this site and start talking about them as if they're some band no one has ever listened to or knows anything about. They're arguably the most famous rock band of all time. I'm quite familiar with their music, as is everyone else who posts here, and their status as "radical" or "experimental" is extremely overstated. Listen to
Strange Strings by Sun Ra—released the same year as
Sgt. Pepper—and then see how experimental the Beatles sound. Hell, listen to the works created by Pierre Schaeffer while all the Beatles were still in diapers and then see how experimental the Beatles sound.