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Originally Posted by blastingas10
Are there any bands who could be considered prog and jam?
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I heard from somewhere that Traffic was both, they are listed as Prog and Jazz Fussion, but Jam Band is not listed as a genre for Traffic on wiki. They are one of the best and do a wide range of music. Jim Capaldi was a genius on drums.
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"Jam Band" is relatively recent term or a term that has been more increasingly used, and it's a retronym when applied to bands like the Grateful Dread - wiki had them listed only as "Rock." But when speaking of Jam Bands the Grateful Dead is the first band that comes to mind. I never really got into modern Jam Band groups and I find the cult following of the Grateful Dean and Phish a little annoying. I don't know why but fan numbers put me off imo Phish is the Lady Gaga of Jam Bands. I feel I better off not worrying about them. Just count how many time Phish is mentioned in this thread.
The best bands imo that could really jam that could fall under the umbrella of a Jam Band are Traffic, ABB* and the Byrds. (*that is the abbrev. of Allman Brothers Band and not a misspelling of ABBA)
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Originally Posted by tore
It's funny that you put quotation marks around this because that is not actually a quotation of what I wrote. I wrote "they have room for improvisation written into the song". By that I mean the composition as a whole may be musically defined except for some segments where the idea is specifically to improvise. Of course you don't write down and define what you're going to improvise beforehand.
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My bad - I didn't mean to mis-quote you. I should had written "... improvisation written into the song." I inserted "is" that didn't appear in the original quote. I probabably did it while I was proof reading because it sounded grammatically correct at the time.
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Originally Posted by tore
The reason I asked permission to make the sweeping statement is not because I fully believe in the sweeping statement with everything that comes with it. Rather, it was to provoke argument. You don't really have to explain to me that there are such things as occasional improvisation in prog rock bands. Believe it or not, I am actually aware of that. What I actually want to argue/find out is whether or not the level of organization of their music could be a way to distinguish jam bands from prog bands.
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If we first describe what we think some of the hallmarks of Prog and Jam Band I think it would show where we are coming from in as far as how we understand them.
I usually try try to keep an open ear first to see what people have to say and then see how it compares to the general accepted consensus of music.
What I notice about Prog is that the
form of the song is more complex then most styles of music. It's not the simple verse chorus verse chorus etc of most Pop songs. Just look at the track listing for
Supper's Ready or
Close to the Edge. Sometime a song incorperates different genres of music, (Jazz, Rock, Raggae, Classical music, World music etc.) but what kind is dependant on the influences of the musicians in the band, and even on music trends at the time.
I think Jam Bands shouldn't be only describe simply playing a song with an extended impromptu jam session at the end of the song. That might be over simplifying it, and there are other style of Rock (and Alt Rock) that do the same.