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Neapolitan · 05-17-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Would you say that Prog and Jam are the same thing?

I would tend to think there are related and have things in common but there are differences enough to warrant (if one wants to) a distinction.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Do they subscribe to the same ethos even if bands we call Prog or Jam doesn't sound like one another?

The funny things about classifying bands of genres is that they are not totally embraced by artist whose music is classified in that particular genre. In some cases there are industry constructs that have more to do with marketing than the the bands bathos.

Not quite a Sam Dunn chart
The Rock and Roll > The Rock > The OAR:
The Acid Rock

The Art Rock

The Blues Rock

The Classic Rock

The Flute Rock

The Hard Rock

The Jam Band Rock

The Prog Rock

But anyways basically first generation of the Prog and the Jam Bands formed around at during same time circa mid 60s up to and around the beginning of the early 70's sooo if there was a ethos they shared it was getting toked.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

If they aren't the same thing, what differentiates one genre from another? Are we splitting hairs with artificial distinctions or is there a real division between the genres that isn't as simple as aesthetic appeal?

Should not "sub-genre" be a more appropriate term?

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Oh man. I don't usually point out bad grammar but that was like a sucker punch to the ribs.

No one's prefect.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

BTW shouldn't we be talking about prog and jam and not spotting errors?

It's not fun have your gramma errors spotted - believe you me.

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Originally Posted by tore

I know there are going to be many exceptions to this, but I feel that progressive rock is generally composed. Someone sat down and thought it should go like this and this and then there's a different theme here .. Think ELP's Tarkus, anything from Gentle Giant, Yes, National Health and so on. When there is improvisation, it's often because room for improvisation was written into the song.

Jamming is a different approach to music, although of course it is an approach that prog bands as well as all other bands might use to come up with interesting stuff to put into their compositions.

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Ehf, most music is composed. I mean more elaborately composed than the average tune you might hear on the radio, like a Frank Zappa song might be (ex. "Montana"). I believe Dave Stewart from National Health would require his band mates to play his (ambitious) compositions exactly as he wrote them down to the smallest detail.

Honestly to me that appears as the work ethic of that particular artist, not all bands operate in the same manner.

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Originally Posted by tore

So, for the sake of discussion, can I make the general sweeping statement that progressive rock is not improvised?

Anyone agree or disagree?

I disagree.

Sometimes jamming (and consequentially improvisation) plays an important part in construction of a song, where a band (even a Prog band) would jam together arrange and rearrange the structure of the song until they figure out the final cut. Sometimes, but not always, a musician gets painted in the corner where they have to play the song note-for-note as was on the record because that's what is excepted by their fans.