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Neapolitan · 02-24-2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

These were assumptions that existed pre-science when they were not rationally deducted from any work using scientific methods. Galileo Galilei, the most famous scientist from the scientific revolution, is known for challenging this misconception and he famously got into trouble with the church for it and was forced to renounce his research.

I don't know all the details to how Galileo Galilei "got into trouble with the church." But the idea or the proposition or theory that the Earth orbits around the Sun goes back to Capernicous ("De Revolutionibus orbium coelestium") and even further back to the ancient Greeks - namely Aristarchus of Samos.

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Originally Posted by tore

The geocentric hypothesis had proponents arguing for it in science, as is healthy for any scientific debate, but didn't come from science and was eventually disproven. So, as an example of 500 year old science, I don't think it's a good one.

I think it is a good example. Both the Geocentric system & Flat Earth Theory are examples how learned men of their time (whether some would considers them being a part of science or pre-science) can adopt an erroneous ideas of the universe. It's easy to point the finger and say "hey that's pre-science" but not all pre-science is bad either. You have to admit modern science relies heavily on pre-science knowledge (or what we now call "science") from ancient times. Now it is easy to see how the geocentric hypothesis is wrong and to say that it didn't come from science - but hindsight is 20/20.

(And in some ways we are back to square one with the newer sciences, with Einstein's theory of Relativity the Earth is relatively the center of the universe from our perspective here on Earth and the Flat Earth theory hasn't really left us it had an extreme make-over and now appears as the theory of Holographic Universe... and that is the beauty of science... old theories don't get thrown out - they just get recycled into new ones.

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Nevertheless it was a churchman, Nicholas Copernicus, who first advanced the contrary doctrine that the sun and not the earth is the centre of our system, round which our planet revolves,rotating on its own axis. His great work, "De Revolutionibus orbium coelestium", was published at the earnest solicitation of two distinguished churchmen, Cardinal Schömberg and Tiedemann Giese, Bishop of Culm. It was dedicated by permission to Pope Paul III in order, as Copernicus explained, that it might be thus protected from the attacks which it was sure to encounter on the part of the "mathematicians" (i.e. philosophers) for its apparent contradiction of the evidence of our senses, and even of common sense.

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The notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun had been proposed as early as the 3rd century BC by Aristarchus of Samos,[2] but had received no support from most other ancient astronomers.