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Originally Posted by Jack Pat
But you did make the generalization that avant-garde composers were more caught up in innovation, and that through this mentality personal and creative expression is "crippled."
Also, I am not implying that you are against avant-garde music. You claimed that you were under the impression that those who compose music through the use of unconventional (or avant-garde) techniques are more focused on innovation and less on artistic expression, and I said I was confused by this notion. That's about it. 
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I said the change in the very foundation of the musical language has sought demand for innovation, it's those that follow this trend for innovations sake that have crippled much of the musical expression by looking at music in a purely semantic way. That is not to say that all instances of innovation have ignored musical expression, in fact it is the need for musical expression that has created new ideas.
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat
But I don't think I ever said anything about this. What exactly does this have to do with anything pertaining to the discussion?
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I was over simplifying my belief that art (in the context of getting an idea across) is to minimise subjectivity through context.
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Originally Posted by starrynight
I'm being ignored here but anyway....just listen and don't worry about theories.
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Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you, I agree with your posts I've just got nothing to add. As much as I enjoy listening to music I also like to discuss it, we live in a time where music is going through some obvious changes which brings up some interesting topics.