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Originally Posted by tore
It will formalize the proceedings a bit and make it much easier to go back and have a look at the circumstances concerning any past banned members case. Regular members will have a general guarantee that when a member they appreciate is banned from the site, it's not simply because moderator X had a bad day. Moderators who would disagree with the ban have a very real way of influencing the banning of a member through a vote. The chances they will log on some day and find a member permabanned without them being included in the process is much smaller.
I am not suggesting this is done for every ban out there (spammers and such). Perhaps being treated this way should be a privilege for members with a 100 posts or more post count.
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I agree that permabans are generally discussed, but not always. The scenario I mentioned where moderators wittingly or unwittingly baits members into replying to the mod in an offensive manner is a typical situation which can lead to a permban without other mods having a say.
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I can't ever recall that ever happening though.
Every permaban that's happened since I've been a mod has been after a great deal of discussion usually after a number of infractions. I can't ever recall anyone getting a permaban out of the blue because a mod has had a bad day, it just doesn't happen.
And how will a poll say what the circumstances for past bannings are? Especially as I just as easily go back to the discussion & read what happened for myself. Also there are times when I've thought a member should be banned only for another mod to come along a bit later on and suggest a different idea and change my mind, this is another reason why I think a poll is pointless.
I've given out quick bannings before, they only last 24 hours, they're never permabans. I only do that when I think giving an infraction is pointless because it won't stop them continuing trolling and I think the member needs time to cool down and take some time away from the forum.
People are different so you have to moderate differently, some people react better to a simple request, some people react better to something formal & some people react better when they're given time to cool down. Also I'm more likely to be more sympathetic to a good member who rarely causes trouble just having a bad day to someone who's always looking to pick fights.
Your 'colder approach' takes none of these things into account which is why I would be dead against it. I'm pretty sure I said this to you when you tried implementing something similar when you were modding that I just don't think you can moderate by statistics.