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Originally Posted by Conan
You can't forget the work that they did later in studio recordings. Sure they weren't the first to experiment with production techniques, but they were the first with a large enough audience to make it as influential as it ended up being.
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Yes, but that kind of supports the point of 'experimental by pop standards'. I actually really enjoy The White Album, Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper, and Magical Mystery Tour. I think they're brilliant albums, but definitely pop albums, and definitely evidence that rock, and pop are not really different beasts. Also, my frustration of he hypocrisy of people who listen to dated pop music only, rip into music that was much more complicated and/or experimental at the time, then turn around, and are frustrated because the new pop music is even simpler, and follows even more mass producible formulas.
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Originally Posted by RVCA
I'm not so interested in the "music has gotten worse" debate as I am the "popular, radio music has gotten worse" debate, because I certainly feel that such is the case.
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Bingo, and I think it's the radio format itself that hinders music. If anything, thanks to the Internet, underground, experimental, and advanced music has ten times the chance it did 10 years ago. If anything, music is getting better.