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Old 08-26-2011, 10:04 AM   #343 (permalink)
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Simple answer is: we don't know. We don't know what happened before the Big Bang and so we cannot impose any properties on God that we cannot actively PROVE with science.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say that the universe MUST have been started by a god (which is assuming that you know the properties of the universe, even though we still don't know how it all started), but imply that god didn't need to be started by another force himself. And that must be what you're implying. Because for your belief to be valid, god must have existed for eternity or else something else caused him to be in existence. Whether or not you claim to know this is irrelevant, because by your belief you are saying that it's true. You can't claim science for the Big Bang, and magic for god and still have your argument be based in logic.
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