Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Debating Libertarians has the same pitfalls as debating Marxists; most important of which is that both groups absolutely refuse to acknowledge historical precedent (as is relevant to each ideology), usually by claiming something along the lines of (A) that system as put in place wasn't sufficiently ideologically pure and (B) the persons implementing the ideology lacked the courage to fully implement it. This is when they even accept the validity of such methods; god knows Libertarians love their axioms.

Libertarianism is a sham; it's a crackpot ideology that has been thoroughly disgraced. It's not by accident that fewer than 10% of economists self describe as libertarian. I could go on and on but....

...let's be succinct and say Libertarianism is the last remnant of the cult of Modernism. Mises, Rand - they will take their place next to Le Corbusier, Marx, and the rest of that oh so boorish crowd.