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Old 04-29-2011, 03:07 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine View Post
a) Parentheses. Exist. For a reason. That differential in terms of order exists for that exact reason, to specify the order of operations for that specific equation. Nowhere in the base axioms of multiplication does it say "by the way, if you have an ambiguous statement, do them in the order they come up. It's fine, for addition and multiplication on their own, as on the domain of natural numbers, rational numbers and real numbers, both are associative (the order in which the equation is evaluated doesn't matter) but when you start mixing operations, associativity isn't proven. Thus, you need parentheses in order to specify the order. Like I've been saying.

I know that you went ahead and solved it the way you'd been taught, but if you noticed, in my original post, which I then quoted as it was ignored, I stated that such "order conventions" shouldn't really be taught, as they lead to such ambiguities, where people assume they're both right, when the problem is that they've both been taught a convention that a) isn't standard and b) is a nasty shortcut in the first place. If people were taught to use parentheses properly from the start, we could avoid situations like this.

I agree that in a situation like that, you kinda have to guess for an answer. That, however, doesn't instantly mean that your guess is right. That's my point. I'm not saying sit on your hands and do nothing because you can't make a definite conclusion, I'm just saying that multiple answers can technically be correct as the statement is ambiguous, which you will note I stated at the start and and of my first post.
I understand what you're saying. I just think it didn't quite come across to me in your first post. This actually seems like a major flaw in education... the majority of people in this thread (including me) didn't even know other conventions existed. I wonder if most teachers are aware of this, and just choose to ignore it, or if it's possible they don't know either.

edit: think I'll ask my math teachers on monday.
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