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Originally Posted by Jester
Right, so you don't even know the definition of an analogy. It's a relationship between two pairs, and the most important part of a functional analogy is that you ascertain the relationship between the first entities of each pair, so you can connect the two together. White people and teenagers?
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Of course an anology is an inference of a relationship between two or more pairs, I think we all know that. My response to what you were saying may have fallen on deaf ears. As you said that most teenagers weren't intellectually capable of comprehending Aesop Rock's lyrics, I was comparing that to the argument that most white people cannot comprehend or understand rap music. Your argument utilized age as the discriminating factor, while mine utilized race. The analogy between discrimination based upon age and race is quite fitting, as neither one is correct (which is what I was attempting to convey to you, in so many words).
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Originally Posted by Jester
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to understand that some things will not be enjoyed by a majority.
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I'm not failing to understand, I am disagreeing that things can be so easily relegated. I think this one goes down as a fundamental difference of opinion between us. To each his own.
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Originally Posted by Jester
Not everyone's as unique as you think they are, firstly.
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Everyone is unique, as unique as one can be by defining themself by the works of others that they enjoy and subscribe to (the music that other people make that they enjoy, the movies they watch that other people shoot, the books they read that other people wrote, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Jester
And secondly, dude, you still don't even know what a fucking generalization IS.
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Again, I realize what a generalization is, but I simply disagree with your utilization of it in this conversation.
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Originally Posted by Jester
I just have to keep repeating yourself because you're not getting my point.
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I disagree that you have a valid point, no matter how many times you repeat it. You misconstrue my disagreement as a failure to comprehend. Agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by Jester
Well that's a lofty inference, because I can tell you that I know that using a big word doesn't make you smarter than the next guy. But if you have a really vast vocabulary, it can work wonders, because you'll be able to express yourself in a multitude of ways.
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Regardless of how vast an individual's vocabulary is, the efficacy of their commuinaction skills is based more upon the utilization of their vocabulary, not it's size.
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Originally Posted by Jester
Yeah, man. I obviously can't comprehend things at an average 15 year old's intellectual level. (It's funny how many ad hominems you load into your posts... Not that I haven't exchanged any, but Jesus, that's all you're aiming for!)
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It's clearly not usage of ad hominems when the argument was inferred from your own apodeictic statements.
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Originally Posted by Jester
Again, you're just like, not listening. It's not for no reason. I'm demeaning laziness. Laziness towards learning is a vice.
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe some people just don't like Aesop Rock's music? That maybe it has absolutely NOTHING to do with a failure to comprehend his lyrics, rather just a general dislike for the content? It seems to me that you are misconstruing ANY criticism of Aesop Rock, and simply relegating it as a failure to comprehend.
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Originally Posted by Jester
Really... Tell me how people who take pride in their ignorance and refuse to correct it are good things.
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It is obviously not a good thing, as no one thus far has even implied that it is. It is technically impossible for someone to take pride in their ignorance. Once someone becomes aware of an ignorance, it is no longer an ignorance, simple as that.
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Originally Posted by Jester
See, this is where we disagree: you think that the artist's definition of their art is the last straw, and that any other interpretations mean nothing. I don't believe that is the case.
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We most definitely do disagree. I believe that the artist knows what their own intentions were better than anyone else.
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Originally Posted by Jester
Have you ever read or seen Waiting for Godot? Samuel Beckett said that it was about nothing, but it's spawned all sorts of ideas and criticisms and healthy brain activity. Even I can take more than nothing away from Waiting for Godot! (To me, it shows humanity chasing its own tail.)
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No, I have never read nor seen it, but I will look into it.
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Originally Posted by Jester
You can't tell me certain lyrics were not in a song
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Was this a typo? It is clearly evident what lyrics are or are not in a song.
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How was I inconsistent?
First quote I say he wouldn't just fall under that umbrella, implying that he would, but it wouldn't be his only or primary one. I guess you missed the key word, huh? It happens.
Second quote I said he's kind of conscious rap, and in the third I basically repeat the same thing.
Tell me where the contradiction lies.
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The contradiction lies in the flip-flopping of whether or not Aesop Rock's music is concsious rap. I say that it does. You say that it doesn't. Then it does, but only partially. Then his music has the same undertones and subject matter of other conscious rap.