Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire) The Fantasy Thread

[Unknown Soldier]

I've now finished watching the first season of Game of Thrones, it was enjoyable but I have to say it doesn't approach the epicness and detail of the books which is understandable, to fit a book into 10 episodes is not easy to achieve. I suppose I was most disappointed in that they didn't try to film any battle scenes, as we just saw the prelude and aftermath of the first major battle of the series.

[LoathsomePete]

That was purely a budgeting issue, which thankfully will not be as much an issue for the next season. The battle at the end of A Clash of Kings will be shown in full detail and that one makes The Battle of the Green Fork and The Battle of the Whispering Woods look like child's play.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

That was purely a budgeting issue, which thankfully will not be as much an issue for the next season. The battle at the end of A Clash of Kings will be shown in full detail and that one makes The Battle of the Green Fork and The Battle of the Whispering Woods look like child's play.

I know most TV series are judged on the viewing figures they get and if the viewing figures are not good enough, there is no season 2!!! So yer I'm sure they will do the "Blackwater" a lot better, I'll be intrigued to see how they do Stannis's fleet burning. Also I'm looking foward to seeing Vargo Hoat and his Brave Companions, surely the foulest bunch in any book!

[LoathsomePete]

The Brave Companions are pretty nasty, but Ramsay Snow, the bastard son of Roose Bolton is truly one of the most foul characters I have ever read.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by LoathsomePete

The Brave Companions are pretty nasty, but Ramsay Snow, the bastard son of Roose Bolton is truly one of the most foul characters I have ever read.

Lord Bolton's bastard son, I enjoyed him as well. I've not read book 5 yet so I don't if he makes a return in that book. I also liked Theon Greyjoy and still don't know his final outcome (I supose he was tortured and killed by Roose Bolton)

[Phantom Limb]

Just finished book 3. So glad Lysa Arynn got what she deserved. What a bitch.

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by Phantom Limb

Just finished book 3. So glad Lysa Arynn got what she deserved. What a bitch.

I liked her, especially her breasts.

[The Monkey]

So what do you think about the theory that Jon Snow is not in fact Ned's bastard son, but the son of Prince Rhaegar Targayen and Ned's sister, Lyanna Stark. It's very popular among fans. As we all know, Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, which was the reason Robert started his rebellion in the first place, and her last words to Ned was "Promise me, Ned", which might be referring to keeping her son, Jon, safe.

It's also worth mentioning that three of the Kingsguard were with Lyanna when Ned and Howland Reed came to rescue her at the Tower of Joy. That they would be there instead of protecting Aerys II or Rhaegar can only be explained if the heir apparent (Jon Snow) was present with Lyanna.

The reason Ned lied about Jon was to keep him safe from Robert, who might have killed him if he found out, due to him being a potential threat to his claim of the throne.

This would also make Jon what is referenced in the title, as his is the Song of Ice (Stark) and Fire (Targayen).

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Monkey

So what do you think about the theory that Jon Snow is not in fact Ned's bastard son, but the son of Prince Rhaegar Targayen and Ned's sister, Lyanna Stark. It's very popular among fans. As we all know, Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna, which was the reason Robert started his rebellion in the first place, and her last words to Ned was "Promise me, Ned", which might be referring to keeping her son, Jon, safe.

It's also worth mentioning that three of the Kingsguard were with Lyanna when Ned and Howland Reed came to rescue her at the Tower of Joy. That they would be there instead of protecting Aerys II or Rhaegar can only be explained if the heir apparent (Jon Snow) was present with Lyanna.

The reason Ned lied about Jon was to keep him safe from Robert, who might have killed him if he found out, due to him being a potential threat to his claim of the throne.

This would also make Jon what is referenced in the title, as his is the Song of Ice (Stark) and Fire (Targayen).

This is really interesting stuff and wasn't aware of any of it. The only issue here though, is that in the TV series Jon Stark doesn't remotely look like a Targayen (not sure without looking back about his description in the first book what his description should be) I mention this, because of the issues with Cersei's children and their physical appearances. Also with Ned Stark having died, he was probably the only one who could give any truth to this theory, unless any remaining Kingsguard's had any knowledge.

[The Monkey]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

This is really interesting stuff and wasn't aware of any of it. The only issue here though, is that in the TV series Jon Stark doesn't remotely look like a Targayen (not sure without looking back about his description in the first book what his description should be) I mention this, because of the issues with Cersei's children and their physical appearances. Also with Ned Stark having died, he was probably the only one who could give any truth to this theory, unless any remaining Kingsguard's had any knowledge.

Howland Reed was also present at the Battle of the Tower of Joy and he still lives, and besides, it can easily be revealed through magic dreams or prophesies if Martins wanna go down that road.