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02-21-2015, 11:25 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
Dragon
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What is noodling and why is it bad?
Before I tell people to shut up about talking **** about the solos in Dopesmoker and the breakdown in "Master of Puppets," it occurred to me I should first identify what this "noodling" is. The dictionary gives me the definition:
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Hell, **** instruments, how come people don't deride Jay Z as a noodler for not making the lyrics to his songs before he actually records them? Isn't that de facto improvising? Secondly, and though this commment may mar this thread as a troll thread, I have to say I've most often heard the word "noodling" used by people who actually play the instrument used by the person they are labeling as a noodler, and almost never by people who do not play the instrument. It kind of makes you sound like elitist *******s, who are unwilling to say they simply dislike the playing and drum up this whole charade of "yeah he/she is just a bad player," or some stupid ****. ^ My honest thoughts. Last edited by Wpnfire; 02-21-2015 at 11:35 PM. |
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02-21-2015, 11:35 PM | #2 (permalink) |
SOPHIE FOREVER
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Us free jazz players are often called noodlers.
I'd say that noodling is when it's playing, sometimes in rhythm, but it's lifeless and uninteresting. Like Malmsteen.
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02-21-2015, 11:43 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Improvising self-referentially and/or with some discernible form takes a massive amount of skill. Improvising without is what a lot of people call noodling, because the best improvisers are able to do so without sounding like they're improvising.
With free jazz, calling it noodling is redundant, I guess, since that's pretty much the whole point of the style. If you enjoy it, you know what you're in for, and if you don't, you probably would characterize all free jazz as mindless noodling and simply avoid it as such. (Which is maybe premature to say, since there's often some level of broad coordination.)
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02-21-2015, 11:52 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Improvisation or noodling gets a bad rep because it defies tradtional textbook music theory, and comes from a bout of pure and unadulterated expression. Music traditionally even in so called improvisational music like hard-bop can be very practiced and methodical. Whereas so called noodling dosen't come from practice but more from a inner voice that dosent rely on the tricks of the trade and comes straight from what the artist is feeling at that moment creating his purest form of art. Music purists always have a formula and of course those who bend formula are shunned and not taken seriously, until the next generation of music purists praise the once frowned upon art form, and the cycle repeats itself.
tl;dr Pure expression isn't accepted as a norm even yet, for the better or worse who knows. |
02-21-2015, 11:59 PM | #6 (permalink) |
SOPHIE FOREVER
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I think that noodling and improvisation are really the same thing. There's good improvisation and there's bad improvisation, noodling follows under the latter umbrella. Then there's structured noodling that we see in all of those overproduced prog bands where the music is nowhere interesting but it's fast and complex and blah blah blah. I call Mr. Malmsteen to the stand again.
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02-22-2015, 12:14 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
Dragon
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I understand what you're getting at though. Chaotic free jazz is awesome, but chaotic music based on a few arpeggios doesn't afford enough creativity and just sounds bad. |
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02-22-2015, 12:23 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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It's a little bit about them. Anything with Massimo Pupillo kills them though.
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